Back in the day I was a frequent visitor to Elitist Jerks and their quite helpful forums. As a budding young hunter, I was always eager to check out the gory insides of theory-crafting, and the hunters there are some of the most qualified for these particular number crunch obsessions.
I swung by EJ today to have a look, and was quite surprised that one of the first things I read (in the BM guide) I did not agree with.
After all – opinions are like rear orifices; everyone has one. And just because mine differs from the authors, does not mean I am ‘right’.
The problem I had was with the choice in T15 talents -
Level 15 Talents
Posthaste > Crouching Tiger > Narrow Escape
Posthaste is useful for gaining speed bursts on bosses like Ji’kun, Lei Shen, etc., usually to get better positioning for boss mechanics. It can also remove movement impairing effects like Sandtraps on ToT Council. Crouching Tiger is useful when boss mechanics line up in a 60s window and you wish to aid your healers (e.g. H Jin’rokh ionization, Megaera rampages, Lei Shen Static Charge). Narrow Escape could theoretically be useful for kiting, e.g. bats on H Tortos, but allowing a group of enemies within 8 yards is generally discouraged. None of these talents should affect dps, are situational and come down to preference. The relationship above is an expression of which talent choice you will find the most useful the majority of the boss fights in ToT raiding.
So after raiding heroics since week two of tier 15, I can say that I find this false. Heroic Ji’kun is indeed a perfect example of how good post haste can be. For those who may not fight this boss ever, or often enough to remember, he does an ability called downdraft. This causes all enemies to be pushed back away from the center of the main platform. Having posthaste can ensure that you have a speed boost available for every single downdraft…
Having a speed boost tied into disengage is no ability to shy away from, yet at the bottom of the quote is where I have my problem: “…is an expression of which talent choice you will find the most useful in the majority of the boss fights in ToT raiding.”
This is simply not true. Having reduced CDs for both our only realistic defensive cooldown, as well as disengage (our most awesomeness ability ever) is usually too good to pass up.
Heroic Jin’Rokh having CTHC is much better – reliable deterrence CD to avoid the applied debuff, you shouldn’t need a speed boost – even for dodging orbs.
Heroic Horridon, having a speed boost does nothing for this fight, disengage is once again always handy (target for charges, quick movement from adds/out of poop etc)
Heroic Council, speed boost does nothing here either, once again for ease of movement and defensive capabilities, CTHC takes the cake. You don’t need the root-removal thanks to that wonderful ability Master’s Call.
Heroic Tortos could see a slight use for the speedboost in running away from the falling rocks; however, CTHC means that you can have deterrence up more reliably for when he does his annoying stun-stomp. Negating some of the damage of this allows you to keep your shield up, providing better uptime on targets you want to kill.
Heroic Megaera shows that the speed boost is not useless, but it is not often you will be the target of the ice torrent. You don’t want to disengage for the speed if you are running cinders, as you could jump over the ice you need to clear! Having deterrence CD reduced means that is up more for rampage and you can return to your proper position faster with shorter CD disengages.
Heroic Ji’kun – already mentioned that posthaste takes the cake here.
Heroic Durumu – neither have massive benefit, if you are slow running a particular colour (say you were on the red beam), then just move closer to the boss… it is a simple ‘lower the radius of your toon’ problem there. Deterrence can be great for soaking the life drain.
Heroic Primordius has no benefit for either talent.
Heroic Animus does not favor either talent.
Heroic Iron Qon is a great example where CTHC is awesome. The end of the fight can be tight for less geared teams (especially with weaker healers) so having deterrence up can be a life savior. Having a speed boost would only be a bonus during the wind storm, and that would only be beneficial if the tornadoes weren’t a factor (you are more likely to disengage into them then out into safety).
Heroic twins is probably the only other fight where there is a MASSIVE benefit to having posthaste – yet also very situational. As hunters we can Crows both bosses at the start, maintaining threat so we can kite to reveal adds. speed boosts just mean you are much more efficient at this job.
Heroic Lei Shen; post haste can be good for the push back, yet that depends on the small chance of you being targeted. Also being positioned correctly negates this (you can disengage back towards the boss while being pushed back, and with the disengage glyph it trivializes the push back for us). Using it in phase 3 can be very useful as well. Posthaste pushes ahead of CTHC slightly.
Ra-den. There is no benefit for speed at all on this. Positioning is really tight, and you only have to rotate potions every so often. Having deterrence more reliably up for the orb soak is much more useful.
So 3/13 posthaste, 10/13 CTHC – far from posthaste being the most useful in ToT. You will never need to root adds, there are better stuns available from a plethora of classes.
The only other issue I had with the talent suggestions was the AoE suggenstion for T90;
Level 90 Talents
Why you would take powershot over GT I would not understand. Barrage is definitely better for AoE situations, but GT damages all targets it passes… Powershots high CD and cast time (rather than instant) makes it a terrible choice [once again, in my opinion].
Apart from this tiny thing, the rest of the guide is really solid and a great read for hunters of all ages – the general guide, macro additions, and every other tid-bit is a fantastic resource.
* I do not claim to be elite, or elitist, and do not consider any of these people to be jerks (or in saying that, any reader). I just like terrible blog titles.